morimento asked: "What's up man-I'm Korean-American, so it's cool you did that thing Korean thing on your birthday. Quick question, saw your post re: Drawquest,Canvas. I never got to use them. Are there others out there like them that are succeeding/failing and also if you could elaborate on how canvas failed b/c of forced facebook integration and Drawquest because tried to monetize stupidest aspect of a drawing game, that would be awesome..."
Thanks so much for the question, and the support. I’ve been getting shit for my pro Korean life lately.
I truly don’t know a lot about Canvas and Drawquest but I will expand a bit on my earlier comments.
I attempted to use Canvas several times but I didn’t feel comfortable using the Facebook integration and letting moot have access to my email, full-name and whatever other details it wanted. Looking back at how he has acted lately I’m happy for my choice. The idea of Canvas was interesting to me. I’m an artist. I’ve always been an artist who loves to draw and doodle. The idea of Canvas had potential but the Facebook login crippled it’s user base and soured others. I don’t know for sure but I think their were a lot of content rules which always kills creativity too.
I’m pretty far reaching online and I take in and remember a lot of info. I honestly never heard about Drawquest until after it was already killed. The thing they monetized was pen-tips. Yes pen-tips. You want to draw with a calligraphy style nub? You want MS Paint style spray paint things? Pay up. Oh you just want to draw regular drawings with a regular pen line style? uhh… go ahead. Now I don’t know how important pen-tips were in the world of Drawquest. My understanding of the app was that it presented half drawn images to you with a short statement suggesting what to finish the drawing with. The common example I found was “Help make the perfect snowman!” with a scarf and ear muff clad character and their dog standing around the white base of a snowman and lots of space above for the user to add the body, head and details.
Obviously the very early idea of Canvas was a more family friendly and marketable version of 2chan/4chan imageboards. A meme creator site. I think part of the problem with that was how late moot was to do it. Sites like that are everywhere now. If Canvas had shown up in 2008 maybe it would have had a chance.
Inspiration for Drawquest? Well I have no idea how long their early dev cycle was but in 2012 and early 2013 the app “Draw Something” was dominating the app store. They monetized several things. One was colors, you got a basic pack of black, brown, red, blue, green, yellow, orange, and purple. Then beyond that they sold different packs with 5-10 shades of each color. You didn’t really need any color packs but they were helpful in some drawings. They also sold the ability to buy an extra option for your word pool of what you would be drawing. Lastly I think they also sold some new word packs. The word packs making a lot of sense to me since that is adding content to the game. Moot might also say his ideas for Drawquest came from Oekaki boards but I doubt he would ever mention that in main stream media.
As moot said in his postmortem on Canvas and Drawquest they failed because the business aspects were not handled correctly. I feel that moot really got lucky with how the userbase of 4chan dug into that site and held on tight for years. Part of the reason he could be so hands off with it was that the users were so established and despite rules 1 & 2, word of mouth kept new users coming in. He doesn’t know how to run a start up, it’s too bad that so much money and people’s enjoyment (those who did like the sites) had to be sacrificed to learn that. He doesn’t know what the future holds for him and neither do I.
I’m terrible at writing and people often say they can’t understand what points I’m trying to make but I hope I helped answer some of your questions with all that.